Setting up your DELL G5 SE
I've seen a lot of complaints regarding this laptop when majority of the problems can be solved by installing the correct drivers. Unfortunately, Dell are too incompetent to include the drivers you need out of the box, so I've tried to summarise all the drivers you need to install to get you started.
This is all thanks to u/sirsquishy67
who went out of his way to gather all this information. You can find his guide linked below. https://www.reddit.com/Dell/comments/i20g1h/setup_guide_g5_15se_5505_thermals_as_requested/
1. Install Dell services/utilities:
- Alienware Command Center - 188.8.131.52
- Alienware OC controls - 184.108.40.2069
- Dell Power Manager Service - 3.7.0
All can be found here: https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-uk/product-support/product/g-series-15-5505-laptop/drivers
2. AMD drivers:
- Vega7+RX5600M - 20.10.18.02 (Adrenalin 2020 for DELL G5 15 SE Laptops)
- 4600H/4800H+Chipset - 220.127.116.118
3. Update BIOS to 1.3.0 (or 1.4.4 but bear in mind that it is aggressive with underclocking the CPU) https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-uk/product-support/product/g-series-15-5505-laptop/drivers
4. Extra drivers such as audio, WiFi, SSD.
Please make sure you enter your service number on the Dell support site as it will show you the relevant drivers for your specific model. These laptops shipped with different SSDs so you may or may not require an update. https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-uk/product-support/product/g-series-15-5505-laptop/drivers
Please don't download GPU drivers from Dell support. Only download the BIOS and the recommended dell services/utilities from Dell support including the WiFi, audio and SSD drivers. If you'd like detailed info then refer to u/sirsquishy67 guide linked above. If you didn't do a clean install of windows and are running with the original OS that shipped with the laptop then you can use Dell supportassist to update Alienware programs, Dell power service manager, BIOS, VBIOS, Audio, WiFi, SSD. Do not update your GPU with supportassist, better stick to downloading from AMD. Download chipset from AMD as well.
- Laptop using integrated GPU instead of dedicated GPU:
Search graphics settings via windows search bar, locate the exe.of program/game, set to high performance and save.
It goes without saying that the laptop should be plugged in. The dedicated GPU will not be used whilst on battery.
Usually happens when the GPU is stressed. Download correct GPU and chipset drivers, update VBIOS, update BIOS and Dell recommends updating Wifi drivers as well. https://www.dell.com/support/article/en-uk/sln322205/dell-g5-5505-may-encounter-reboot-shut-down-abnormal-display-color-hanging-blue-or-black-screen-issues-during-intense-gpu-usage?lang=en
I also experienced this issue using the latest GPU drivers from Dell. To fix the issue I had to uninstall GPU drivers in safe mode with DDU and install the July 2020 drivers linked above. None of the latest drivers from AMD officially support the RX5600M so up to you whether you want to install or not. I asked AMD why the RX5600M is not listed as a supported mobile GPU whereas the RX5500M and RX5300M are, their reply was a standard copy paste answer saying the responsibility is with the manufacturer and not them.
If trying the above fixes has not helped, then please contact Dell support as you may have a hardware failure. Dell shipped the RX5600M with 2 different VRAMs, Samsung and Micron, it's been seen that Micron VRAM causes issues so you may need to contact Dell to have your motherboard replaced.
- G-MODE (Fn+F7) not working:
Make sure you install the above Alienware drivers. The correct drivers are not shipped with the laptop so G-mode will not work until updated.
Do not install Alienware drivers from anywhere else, there are newer versions of Alienware but they have not been modified to use with this laptop. I made the mistake of installing a newer version and Alienware stopped working, even after uninstalling Alienware I could not install the correct one from Dell as it kept failing to install. I had to delete some things in registry as suggested by Alienware themselves and yet I could not install the drivers from Dell. Ultimately, I had to restore to factory settings and set the laptop up again from scratch.
If you still experience random shutdowns and BSODs then that could be an NVME issue. This laptop has shipped with many different brands of NVMEs and there are updates for a few of them, check Dell support. If after updating your problems aren't solved then download HWinfo64 and monitor your NVME temperatures, it's been found that some overheat hence that could be the reason for your issues. If temperatures are going above 80C then that's not safe. Contact Dell support for a replacement.
This is a juicy topic with this laptop lol.
Right, let's summarise everything that has happened so far.
Laptop was released with drivers that were not complete or ready for release. BIOS 1.0.0 and the original VBIOS of the RX5600M were problematic. Temperatures usually soared above 100C (my highest was 110C!) and the laptop has a thermal trip limit of 115C, so a lot of people faced sudden shutdowns during intense gaming sessions. Reviewers noted the high temperatures in their reviews but not many reviews spoke of shutdowns. Forums were full of complaints about this issue, understandably. At that time, the only way to reduce temps was to disable boost and use the Ryzen controller program. Ryzen controller was very good at reducing temps by limiting the CPU temperature however when the dedicated GPU (RX5600M) was activated Ryzen controller would stop working, temperatures would start to go up again. A laptop cooling pad was necessary to keep the temps below 100C.
Dell then released BIOS 1.3.0 which helped with temperatures but the biggest advantage with this BIOS update was that it allowed Ryzen controller to limit CPU temperatures even when the RX5600M was in use. So now in gaming sessions if you set your temperature limit to 85C or 78C or whatever, it would not allow the CPU to go above this setting. There was still a bit of fine tuning involved with using Ryzen controller and it was found that touching all other settings apart from temperature would severely underclock the CPU causing serious stuttering and frame drops in games. It was concluded that setting the temperature to around 85C and leaving everything else alone yielded the best results. Refer to u/sirsquishy67
guide if you want more detail, he goes into detailed explanation about how smartshift is the culprit for all of this.
Next came the VBIOS update for the GPU which further improved temperatures. Dell released the update on their support site, AMD then decided to link the update on their own support site which probably indicates how significant this update was for the GPU. By now, disabling boost was just unnecessary as you were not really getting the performance you paid for. Enable boost or if you haven't disabled it, leave it alone.
As of now Dell have released BIOS 1.4.4. This further improves temperatures but from what I can see and what others have reported it does this by underclocking the CPU more aggressively. Considering how powerful the R54600H/R74800H are I don't think many people would see a drop in performance in daily use, temperatures would be lower whilst generally using the laptop so that's a bonus. In regard to gaming, I'm not sure how it has affected performance. I only installed it yesterday and funnily enough I got the highest scores on Timespy, Firestrike and Cinebench R20 that I have ever got on this laptop! I have yet to test it in game though so not making my mind up on this BIOS update just yet.
Bear in mind that these are Ryzen CPUs, according to AMD they can operate up to 105C unlike intel CPUs that only go up to 90C so there's no need to really panic if here and there you see your temperatures in the 90s. By design Ryzen CPUs spike in temperature, for example in GTAV (close to high settings) if you monitor your temperature in game you'll see your average temperature around 85C with constant spikes to around 95C, this is normal, results will differ for other games. I use a laptop cooling pad with mine which I have seen has helped with temperatures a little, you may not see a huge decrease in temperature using a laptop cooling pad due to the way the CPU is designed, for example you may expect the CPU to run cooler but instead of running cooler it maintains a higher clock frequency so at the end of the day if you were seeing temps of 95C before using a cooler, you'll still see a temperature of 95C after using a cooler however if you monitored average CPU clocks you'll see that with a cooler you're getting about 300MHz extra average clocks, this is from my own experience and extensive testing. I think JarrodsTech has a youtube video proving this behaviour.
In conclusion, follow the guide up top, I recommend using a laptop cooler or at the very least some sort of stand that allows increased airflow underneath the laptop and if your temperatures are still going above 100C after doing everything mentioned in this guide then you should probably worry, feel free to make a post and we'll help you out.
I will update this as I come across more problems and fixes. Please feel free to chip in with problems and fixes you've come across.
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570 to 740 - My 4 Month Journey
I've always been a very passive Reddit reader (my first ever post), but I've relied on reading your stories and tips so much the past few months that I wanted to share my story and hopefully give back. My Background
- Native English speaker
- Non-Quant background
At the recommendation of a friend, I started with the full suite of Manhattan books on 7/15. Prior to starting studying material, I took the first Manhattan CAT, scoring a V29 V44 (590). I came to find out that the Q44 was a fluke and I should have scored quite a bit lower. My next Manhattan CAT, after two weeks of studying exclusively Manhattan materials 5+ hours per day, fell to a 570. I was understandably frustrated and demoralized.
Seeing the fall in my quant score was perplexing and led me to realize that my quant foundation was very weak. After making it through the majority of the Manhattan All the Quant series, I quickly decided that I would need to build my quant foundation from ground zero. Based on all of your recommendations, I turned to TTP and never looked back.
As all of you know, TTP can be grueling. Single chapters can take days to weeks with hundreds of problems per chapter, but it's more than worth it if you have the time and commitment. I continued taking Manhattan CATs during my TTP and Manhattan verbal studies as to not extinguish my official CATs (highly recommend this strategy), and slowly but surely, my CAT scores were rising, but almost all on the Verbal side. Again, I was really confused and since my TTP test scores were relatively strong (75% to 80% on the hard tests) and I felt my quant conceptual basis was strengthening.
Having completed most of TTP, I took my first in-person exam (V31 Q42 600). Again, absolutely crushed and demoralized. I started questioning again whether I could get to my 700+ mark. After sulking for a few days, I hopped back on the horse and started tuning my studies with other sources. This is when I realized TTP is a tool, not a solution. TTP questions can be incredibly difficult, but they ultimately do not precisely simulate GMAC official questions. Equipped with everything that I learned through TTP, I started hitting the OG guides hard
. I logged my errors, revisited weak topics, and by the end, I could answer every question (at least quant) without fail. This was probably a function of memorization, but memorization is somewhat beneficial on the GMAT as you can refer back when solving similar questions. This is really when I saw an inflection in my Quant score, going from a Q42 on my 9/1 live test to a Q49 on my 9/19 CAT.
My biggest takeaway was how beneficial the OG guides are... once I had the foundation to utilize them properly. Slugging away at OG problems when you don't understand them is simply a waste of your time and a waste of the problem.
When it was all said and done, I managed to swing from a 570 Manhattan CAT on 8/2 to a 740 official score on 11/13. It was rough, I questioned whether I could get there several times, but I promise, all of you are more than equipped to do the same. The GMAT is a ridiculous test that, in my opinion, tests how bad you want it. If you want it bad enough, I promise that all of you will get to where you want and/or need to be. Tips and Learnings
- If you're severely struggling with OG questions at a certain level or on a certain topic... stop. Go back and reinforce that topic or practice the same topic at a lower difficulty. You're likely lacking conceptual knowledge, and by hacking away at problems, you're not learning and simply wasting time + problems. If you're anything like me, you'll remember the problem/answer and it will fail to serve its purpose once you're actually ready to solve it.
- Resetting GMATPrep exams can be very useful when your initial performance was poor. I received a few repeats, but overall since my first takes were relatively poor, the majority of the questions were new. When you do receive a familiar question though, penalize yourself on timing (wait an extra X seconds before submitting), otherwise, you're cheating yourself on timing simulation. A few seconds here and there make a big difference across the entire test.
- Don't neglect verbal, especially if you're coming from a non-quant background. This was probably my biggest mistake early on. Not having the quant foundation, I was placing 95+% of my time towards quant because I knew its where I could make the biggest dent in my score. But once I started hitting consistently in the Q47+ range, I should have started weighing my studies more equally. At Q47+, you've proved to schools that you can handle quant work, now focus on scoring big and upping your Verbal, which is a heavier weight in your composite score. Going from V39 to V43 is going to be a lot more effective use of your time than Q47 to Q51. Balance is key to big scores, and you won't get there by neglecting verbal.
- ERROR LOG... ERROR LOG... ERROR LOG... there is no better way to identify your weaknesses. And don't simply log your errors, log your struggle problems as well. If a question took you too long yet you still got it right, log it. Timing on difficult problems is ultimately how you secure higher scores, so you should consider taking 2.5+ minutes to solve an error.
- I know everyone says this, but read sentence correction for meaning. You're never going to learn every rule or idiom that the GMAT tests, and even if you do, that doesn't account for all the exceptions. By reading for meaning, equipped with basic grammar rules, you'll be more than good to go.
- You're going to have ups and downs. It will feel like a setback, but use these opportunities to understand why you're struggling. Often it's something as simple as a single topic or two. This is where the error log comes in handy as you can narrow down quickly and start seeing patterns.
Practice Exams https://preview.redd.it/81e1x43cs3061.png?width=1154&format=png&auto=webp&s=c67d39f2a78b44d14769bf580297ba8ef4540cd1
- Manhattan Prep All-The-Verbal/Quant (didn't use Quant much, but relied on Verbal)
- TargetTestPrep (main Quant prep resource)
- GMAT Official Guide 2020
- GMAT Official Verbal Guide 2020
- GMAT Official Quant Guide 2020
- GMAT Advanced Question Guide
- Erica Meltzer's The Complete GMAT Sentence Correction Guide
- PowerScore Critical Reasoning
- GMAT Official Practice Questions Sets #1 and #2 (the extra questions you can buy for the online practice system)
- GMATClub Quant CATs - excessively hard and not always realistic of live testing questions, but a great challenge when you want a push
- GMAT Hacks Challenge Problem Set - a great resource of GMAT realistic quant problems, especially the Extreme Challenge set. It's not extreme by GMATClub standards, but they're realistic of actual Q49+ problems.
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