Difference between the Scene and p2p?
This is NOT my post and I found it browsing the internet. However, it's still contains some relevant points.
RELEASE GROUPS - These groups are sometimes run by few people and sometimes by just an individual person. But not all of these groups release on torrents. Some of these groups hate torrents and anything to do with peer to peer. This is where the real secret trading goes on.
There are two types of Release Groups:
P2P GROUPS (Peer-to-Peer Groups) - PRiSM, FLAWL3SS, ViSION, IMAGINE, Noir, etc are all P2P groups. They release warez/torrents directly to P2P sites such as Public/Private Torrent sites, LimeWire, Frostwire, or some to direct download sites liike Rapid:shit:, etc.
SCENE GROUPS - Diamond, Reloaded, Razor1911, etc are all 'Scene' groups. The Scene has no central leadership, location, or other conventional distinguishing marks of existence, but some general guidelines apply globally, considering the historical usage of the term and the history of the communities the term has been used to represent. These guidelines include a rigid set of rules ["Scene Release Standards"] that groups must follow in releasing pirated stuff. These groups "hate" torrents, usenet, rapidshare and all other peer to peer programs such as limewire etc..because such programs expose your ips to the public and other anti-piracy organizations and is a big risk for them to expose their members. By not releasing stuff via this method they maintain longevity and secretiveness and a constant supply of warez.
So then you ask so how come all their stuff is reaching the torrents?
This is where the next set of releasers come in.
TOP SITES/FTP SITES - FTP servers connected to high speed lines minimum 100Mbit to 1Gbit to multi-Gbit. FTP is another way of transferring stuff but much secure as it uses SSL encryption so it is very very hard to snoop around an FTP server.
Every FTP site has certain sections on the wish of its owner who owns the servers (eg. TV-XVID, TV-X264, DVDR, XVID, X264, APPS, GAMES, XBOX360, WII). These are basically the most important sections but other FTP sites could have foreign sections such as French, Spanish, German, Italian etc depending on the FTP owners nationality and his needs. Each section has its own rules such as :
TV-XVID --- All US Scripted TV shows only...
WII - Only PAL Games allowed (if the owner is European)
. . . and so on and so forth for other sections. Every one has different rules and racers have to adhere to every FTP sites rule.
COURIERS - a.k.a. "Racers" or "Traders" are the ones responsible for the trading of warez between FTP sites.
When a courier races/trades, he earns credits set according to a certain ratio. For example if the owner of the ftp site sets all racers ratio to 1:4; and say there are 2 racers who race Iron.Man.2.DVDRip.XviD-Diamond to the ftp site. Say "racer1" uploaded 400MB of iron man 2 and "racer2" uploaded 300MB of iron man 2 for a combined total of 700MB.
Then according to the ratio 1:4 "racer1" gets 400MB x 4 = 1600MB credits and "racer2" gets 300MBx4 =1200MB credits to his account. (MB = Megabyte). Say now the owner doesn't like Iron man 2 and nukes both racers 3X. That means "racer1" will lose 400 x 3 = 1200GB credits from his account and "racer2" will lose 300 x 3 = 900MB credits. When u lose credits and don't have enough a FTP site will delete you as you are of no good.
That's why Scene releases have good quality torrents always because they maintain rules written by owners of various groups and approved by other groups to be a certain standard. ["Scene Release Standards"]
Such as Rules for XviD movies: ["Scene XviD Release Standards"] All xvid movies have to be 700MB 1 CD or 2 CD rip of 1.37GB with certain RIP settings. If "scene" groups don't follow these rules they will get "nuked" It's like a university degree, you don't want to have 10 failed courses, then you are not looked as a smart student. Similarly, a group doesn't want too many nukes besides its name. It destroys their reputation and doesn't let them get on good FTP sites.
When they Release something on a FTP site it is known as to "pred" or a "pre". "Pre" means the release is ready to be raced to other FTP sites NOT "torrent sites". Remember all scene groups hate torrents and do not want ANY of their stuff on torrent sites. If they see someone on their FTP sites releasing stuff on torrents, his ip gets banned and he gets NFOed sending a warning to other FTP sites to 'Delete' & 'Purge' him and never to allow him anywhere near Scene ever again.
Now you ask, well if the Scene groups hate torrent sites so much, how come uploaders are able to release so much stuff from these FTP sites?
Because a few uploaders hide their identity and don't say that they are releasing on torrent sites. Some FTP sites ask for money secretly from p2p uploaders to let them upload to torrent sites. These FTP sites take a risk that if they get busted by other Scene groups their ftp site will be NFOed and will be shut down and the owner of that FTP site will be considered supporting "p2p" or "torrents" forever and he forever will be banned from Scene. Uploaders have to be very careful in hiding their information so that they don't get caught!
"P2P" SITES - these are P2P file sharing sites (LimeWire, Frostwire, Rapid:shit:, etc), torrent sites (private/public trackers), etc. These are sites where uploaded torrents/warez from release groups go.
UPLOADERS - are ones responsible for uploading torrents to "leechers".
LEECHERS - are ones downloading the torrents.
In Summary, a release gets "pred" by "Scene" groups such as Diamond, reloaded, razor1911, lol, etc on "FTP" sites and then those releases get traded to other ftp sites from where on few uploaders who hide their identities..upload it to torrents. An UPLOADER has nothing to do with the release itself. He is just a messenger. Some uploaders even employ "Bots": Custom-made Scripts/Programs designed to download Scene releases via FTP and upload to their torrent tracker automatically for very fast and usually reliable pre-times. THUS DO NOT blame the uploader for why a Scene release is rar'd or doesn't have screens or even if it's a faulty Scene release, as it is the Scene group's fault if their release is not up to the mark. Always respect this knowledge, never go around mailing the Scene groups (which sometimes post contact info in their nfos) if you are a torrent user. That brings unnecessary attention and reveals your lack of knowledge and puts the Uploader as well as the torrent site itself at risk.
List of Some Release Groups:
Diamond - GFW - GAYGAY - VoMiT - JUMANJI - aAF - Replica - Counterfeit - EMERALD - SAPHiRE - xSCR - DOMiNO - Larcency - MENTiON - BULLDOZER - ALLiANCE - SPRiNTER - iMBT - NEPTUNE - MOViERUSH - Ltu - EwDP - TWiST - NODLABS - LAP - SSF - ARROW - BaLD - COALiTiON - 2TU - DoNE - AVCDVD - VH-PROD - HLS - FiCO - AMIABLE - HVK - NeDivx - MisFitZ - MHQ - CoWRY - FRAGMENT - nDn - R3QU3ST
DOWN - THUGLINE - CiNEFILE - PUZZLE - LCHD - HANGOVER - BestHD - aBD - SiNNERS - AVCHD - CBGB - MELiTE - HDEX - hV - NODLABS - SECTOR7 - ETHOS - TFiN - aAF - HUBRIS - IGUANA - INSECTS - Japhson - AMIABLE - FSHiD - DIMENSION - AVS720 - FLHD - CROSSBOW
NTX - Replica - d0wnz - SCARED - JKR - EwDp - BesTDvD - HLS - BOW - HNRDVD - SCREAM - EPiSODE - KARTL3DVD - FliK - KiDDoS - VoMIT - BUTLER - x0dus - FiCODVDR - IGUANA - INSECTS - BOW
-> GAMES, XBOX360, WII
RELOADED - Razor1911 - SKIDROW - TiNYISO - FASiSO - FLT - Unleashed - PROPHET - GOW - CPY - CCCLX - GLoBAL - CLANDESTINE - DAGGER - MARVEL - STRANGE - LoCAL - Allstars - Dcomics - iCON - PROTOCOL - SWAG - DNL - FYK - SUNSHiNE - OneUP - ZRY - HUGO - WiiERD - SUSHi -QwiiF - REV0 - WiiTARD - BAHAMUT
-> TV (Xvid, x264 and DVDrip)
lol - NoTV - DIMENSION - FQM - SYS - IMMERSE - P0W4 - SAiNTS - CRiMSON -OMiCRON - LMAO - KYR - NAN0 - MOMENTUM - QCF -2HD - AUTV - HDCP - FUTv - FLATLiNE - C4TV - watbath - aAF - BiA - FTP - 433 - WaLMart - KAFFEREP - iNGOT - FFNDVD - BWB - FoV - BARGE - ORENJI - CTU - BAJSKORV - SFM
PRiSM - FLAWL3SS - ViSION - WB - IMAGINE - Noir - SANTi - NPW - Rx - LUSi - TFE - WBZ - DDR - SHIRK - D-ZON3 - ProDJI - CtrlHD - WiKi - ESiR - SPOOKY - WARRiOR
Not sure where this originated but this has to be one of the better explanations like this I've ever seen. I made just a few edits, mostly just grammar and such I saw, but this is largely just the way I found it. Hope others enjoy reading it it as much as I did.
I can think of a few things I could add to it. Unlike most of what's above which is how it's been for a long time and probably will be for a long time in the future, most of what I would add would be more in how things are today and the recent past and who knows how much they might change from these recent trends over the next year, couple years, etc. If you're still interested read on ...
Movie releases & Scene & P2P sources:
P2P groups like IMAGiNE (and some of the foreign p2p release groups that they quite often use for Cam & R5 sources, like the Russian p2p groups ELEKTRI4KA, RelizLab, etc) have been pwning Scene in pre-retail releases - Cam, Telesync (TS), R5, Screener, PPV etc - for the last several years now, both in how early they get them out and in quality.
Scene movie groups have always dominated the retail releases though. Typically the first Blu-ray (x264, XviD) or DVD sourced (XviD, DVDR) releases of every film will pre from a Scene group a week to a month or more sometimes before the retail release date, well before most any P2P group gets their hands on them. That's not always the case though, as some of the well-known So/Central American and Chinese P2P groups often get their releases out early too, but by and large Scene still owns retail. That's why most of the P2P XviD and BRRip tagged releases are encodes from Scene DVDR & x264 release sources.
Scene Release Standards - NUKEs - NUKENETs - REPACKs - PROPERs:
It's not a one-way street though that P2P relies on Scene sources, although it's supposed to be. Scene groups must abide by strict release Standards that forbid ever using P2P sources, but they don't always comply with them exactly and some try to see what they can get away with. Though they aren't supposed to, it's not all that rare for a Scene group to grab a pre-retail or retail P2P source and try to use it for their Scene release. Sometimes they get caught doing so and their releases will get NUKED for 'stolen.from.p2p' or similar by one or more of the NUKENETS - groups that try to monitor and enforce Scene Release Standards and themselves are supposed to follow "NukeCouncil" rules. Some of the current Nukenets are ...
SheepNet - LocalNet - oneNET - Nuclear - ZoNeNET - FRENCHNET
Gotmilk - preDB - DutchNET - CentralNET - IT-NET - Lyslogen
Part of the reason for Scene groups to steal from P2P sources or make other stupid errors resulting in a NUKE is Scene is a race between groups to see who can get their release out first. Scene Release Standards for each category (XviD, x264, DVDR, TV, GAMES, etc) only allow ONE scene release of each title. For example, once one Scene group puts out an XviD release, unless it was found to not have complied with the Scene XviD Release Standards in some way, no other group is allowed to release an XviD of that film title or else it will get NUKED for being a 'dupe'. The 'pre' when a Scene group puts out a release is an announcement on a private irc channel that coincides with their release being upped to the Topsite. Groups are supposed to check those pre channels first to see if a release of that title has already been made before releasing. There are also a few for the most part notoriously unreliable and often short-lived html sites that are scripted to follow pre irc channels, many of which are not private, commonly called 'dupecheck' sites, where most anyone can go to see what new Scene releases have pre'd, and often if any NUKEs have been issued against them.
If a Scene release is found to not comply with Scene rules, then that group will need to fix what was wrong with it either by pre'ing a FIX if possible or else they'll have to re-release the entire thing over again tagged as a REPACK before some other Scene group can beat them to it by pre'ing a PROPER. Scene groups really do not like to get PROPER'd by another group, and you can tell from reading their nfos that the groups releasing the PROPER often take great pleasure in being able to do so. A PROPER is kind of a 'You guys suck!' 'do it right & we wouldn't have to fix your :shit:' & 'in your face' kind of thing. :lol:
P2P Movie Releases - Sources:
P2P groups, on the other hand, have no such rules, so can't get NUKED nor have any PROPERs, though occasionally you may see a P2P release tagged as a 'PROPER' anyway, apparently in a lame attempt to denote they think their release is somehow better than others out for some reason, but all it really means is they're a n00b group who don't realize what the tag is supposed to mean and they're just trying to get people to download their version instead of everyone else's. P2P has no 'dupe' rules so virtually every well-known P2P group will put out their own version of virtually every popular film. That's why, what we'll typically see for movies, is a Scene XviD DVDRip or BDRip release, followed shortly thereafter by the Scene DVDR or 720p & 1080p x264 releases, and then beginning within hours and lasting for a few days or more torrent sites will then be flooded with every P2P group's DVDRip or BRRip of that same film that they encoded using that same (usually Scene) retail source, so in that case for retail releases by-and-large the chart above would really wind up looking something more like this ...
You may have noticed how Scene XviDs are typically somewhat limited in quality compared to P2P group releases, as Scene release XviDs have always so far had a max allowed width resolution of 640 pixels and are required to be CD-sized (700mb) files, split to multiple CDs if the film is too long to fit onto one. This is because Scene XviD Release Standards are such to make their releases have the maximum possible playback compatibility, mostly for the widely varying limitations/capabilities of DivX players (DVD players that can play AVI files), some of which cannot play files of larger resolutions or file sizes. It's not rare in torrent comments to see n00bs complaining about the smaller res's, split CD-sizes of Scene XviDs (just like n00bs often complain about Scene releases being rar archived), saying these are somehow 'outdated' Scene rules when really nothing could be further from the truth. Though they continue to slip a bit in popularity to the newer HD x264 release format, Scene's 700mb AVI files still are by far the most popular size/format of movie release on torrent sites, and that near-universal DivX player compatibility is largely why, combined with it being what so many still find is a suitable balance/tradeoff between file size and quality. Some P2P releasers like the infamous aXXo knew that all too well and capitalized big-time on putting out Scene-sized rips which made him several times more popular than any other P2P group has ever been.
Not all P2P groups try to mimic Scene releases though. Because P2P has no such rules their XviD releases tend to come in widely varying resolutions and file sizes however they felt was best to release them. Though they tend to not to get as popular it's not hard to find a 480p (720x***) XviD DVDRip from some of the better P2P groups, usually a single file in the 1.4GB range with the 6ch AC3 audio straight from the DVD, in a quality that Scene XviDs will never touch.
Scene nfos vs P2P torrent descriptions:
P2P groups also tend to have a lot more informative nfos &/or torrent descriptions that usually come with screenshots and such that tend to make it much more easy to compare and tell what it is your getting than with Scene releases. Scene releases nfos may have some pretty cool old-school ascii designs but tend to give only the most basic info about the release and never include links to screens. It's not rare to see some n00b in the comments on a Scene release, who has evidently been spoiled by P2P releases and doesn't know the difference between them, complaining that the uploader didn't include screenshots, which as mentioned above was often uploaded by a BOT, not a person - or even if it is a person upping a Scene release +99.9% they're doing so via remote access on a seedbox where they aren't able to extract, play, and make screenshots before uploading anyway. Many uploaders to torrent sites will strip the extra ascii characters from Scene nfos before posting just the text as a torrent description, and if you ever see any screenshots posted for a Scene film or HDTV release on a torrent site it's only because some really nice person (uploader, site staff, or any member in the comments) added them only after they had a chance to download at least some of it first.
With x264 releases Scene and P2P typically run neck-and-neck quality-wise with Scene still having the advantage of usually getting their releases out first and Scene typically dominates other categories like HDTV releases and Warez (applications) & Games where not only are they out front but people have come to trust Scene release Games & Apps more than many would P2P group releases for reliability and to be free from malware. Scene doesn't have anywhere near as much P2P competition in other categories like they do in Movies.
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